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Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:34:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:I'm confused as to why people who "used to have it easy" are now complaining when it has become a little challenging.
HTFU. MTFU. Adapt or die.
There are other options than an Orca to roll WH's that have more agility making it quicker and easier to burn back to the WH.
It's called a 100MN AB HIC with an active bubble and lots of plates. True it's not got the mass of an orca but a few of those can collapse a WH pretty quickly
Do you have any idea how many HIC jumps it would take with this method in a C5/C6? It already takes a dread,orca, and BS, to close those holes? telling players "you can just use a HIC" shows how ignorant you are to the problems people face who actually live in these systems.
We tested how the new mechanics worked yesterday while closing one of our k162's in a relatively 'safe' system. It took over 50 seconds for the dread to get back to the wh. that's an eternity of leaving your ass hanging in the wind. 100mn microwarps barely do anything to capital sized ships for speed. Even with nanofibers in the low you're still looking at over 30 seconds before the capitals will get back to the hole which is simply not acceptable in space where you have no idea who is even in system. Coupled with the increase in wh's now this patch is going to literally kill a large portion of smaller corps in wh space. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:36:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Aureus Ahishatsu wrote:Coupled with the increase in wh's now, this patch has killed a number of smaller corps in wh space. Fixed. Take a peek into the wormhole subforums stickied threads. A number of smaller corps have already moved out / starting to move their things out.
I'm fully aware. We already encountered 2 different c5 corps moving out. People who do not live in wh space don't understand this fix is not something that is simply "adapt and move on". There is no adaption for smaller corps. The only adapt option is to A) join a large wh alliance or B) GTFO "so long and thanks for all the fish"
What I don't understand is how CCP felt that pushing something that will make WH space resemble the current snorefest of nullsec would make anything better. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:53:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:I'm confused as to why people who "used to have it easy" are now complaining when it has become a little challenging.
HTFU. MTFU. Adapt or die.
There are other options than an Orca to roll WH's that have more agility making it quicker and easier to burn back to the WH.
It's called a 100MN AB HIC with an active bubble and lots of plates. True it's not got the mass of an orca but a few of those can collapse a WH pretty quickly Absolutely, ... Or also, you can use a black ops, mwd back to the wh cloaked.. How good is that! Stop crying about the changes and do adapt...
Read above response because to this because apparently you have the same issue which Galdon did. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:48:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:Jack Branigan wrote:
A few extra holes..... every system I have gone into has been a complete sh!tshow of wh's. We can't even close the wh's in our system that lead to low or null with people in it.
By weak blood you mean people who have lived there for years? Sorry not all of us want to be a part of the major null sec blocs which is what is now required if one wants to utilize wh's.
Wtf are you talking about? If any of the larger WH groups even get so much as a whiff that a corp in C5-C6 space is linked to a nullsec bloc, they organize a combined OP to burn out that corp. I can't imagine this will change with the new mechanics.
I think you misunderstood what he was saying. You are correct in that when the null blocs move into wh's there is generally a mass OP amongst the greater wormhole community to evict them.
What he was saying though is that wh's were the last bastion for smaller corps to actually stake a piece of the pie. Unlike null and lowsec the vast majority of wh's are actually inhabited by independent small corp. WH alliances are more like bat phone friends in case of an eviction instead of dictator empires. Low sec and null have pretty much become unobtainable unless you have a large heavy pvp oriented group. Wh's were great because smaller corps could have a system to call home. With the mechanics in place now these smaller corps are completely unable to protect their space anymore. As a result wh's will shift away from the small independent corps to something more like nulls sec in that the only way people can live there is to be a part of a large organization. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:36:00 -
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There is probably a similar feeling at CCP as the U.S. government feels about the new F-35 jet which has been in development hell for the last 15 years..
We spent far too much money on something to get rid of it and admit to anyone that this won't work. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:08:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:
As I said before, I used to live in a WH and you don't need to use BS's.
A HIC fitted with a 100MN AB and a bubble has an enormous mass for a cruiser.
Online the bubble and the AB and your mass blooms. Jump through the WH. Rinse and repeat. You also get to control the mass of you ship going through very well which is handy. Your ship is also very fast compared to a BS and super tanky. So you can burn back to the WH easily.
Adpation is easy.
As the guy above me just pointed out the mass goes DOWN when you activate the hic bubble..... you have clearly shown a lack of knowledge in this subject and to honestly think it's acceptable to have corps jumping 40 times with 2 minute timers on every pilot who does it is beyond asinine.
I don't like him but i'm going to quote a very space important person here...
"you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head." |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:28:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:Aureus Ahishatsu wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:
As I said before, I used to live in a WH and you don't need to use BS's.
A HIC fitted with a 100MN AB and a bubble has an enormous mass for a cruiser.
Online the bubble and the AB and your mass blooms. Jump through the WH. Rinse and repeat. You also get to control the mass of you ship going through very well which is handy. Your ship is also very fast compared to a BS and super tanky. So you can burn back to the WH easily.
Adpation is easy.
As the guy above me just pointed out the mass goes DOWN when you activate the hic bubble..... you have clearly shown a lack of knowledge in this subject and to honestly think it's acceptable to have corps jumping 40 times with 2 minute timers on every pilot who does it is beyond asinine. I don't like him but i'm going to quote a very space important person here... "you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head." How can you not like Corbexx? He's vying to fix this ****.
That quote is from The Mittani. Corbexx himself quoted it and modified it to be relevant to wh's.
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Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:12:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Gosti Kahanid wrote:We are a small WH-Corp living in a C5. At the moment we have 10 Pilots logged in max.
For the last few days we experimented how to close C6 and 0.0-WHs with less risk as possible. To close those, we use a Dread, an Orca and a Battleship. Both Dread and Orca are now fitted with 3-4 Overdrives and a 100MN MWD.
It-¦s important that the Dread jumps first so he doesn-¦t spawn more than 15km away from the WH. With its MWD on it flies about 400m/s so he reaches jumprange in about 30 seconds. Orca, as a smaller/lighter Ship is even faster.
So after adapting a little bit we can still close a WH in about 30 Seconds. I really don-¦t see the big problem here. Ok, if someone was already lurking at a WH then you have a problem with your Dread 10km away from jumprange, but this was already a risk before the change. The only difference now ist that the Dread will be trapped on the other side, but this is the Risk when living in a WH... see this is what's great about the change, you've got the people who can't think mass unsubbing while the smaller cleverer corps take their place
Ok i'm going to address a couple things here. First off Gosti. Your method is not as sound as you think. 30 seconds...... you think that is fast? 30 seconds is still a ridiculous amount of time for a dread (which o btw is completely defenseless with your fit listed) to get back to a wh. Second. i can't wait to see you get a ship stuck in a wh because of the order you just listed. When closing the higher c5+ holes you always do orca and bs FIRST because only then do you know if it is safe to bring the dread through which is known if the wh has not had it's first shrink. Since the jump range is determined off the wormhole status after the jump the dread will always have a large randomness to it's range. In the order you just listed short of a brand new hole once you jump the dread out trying to determine how much mass is left on the wh is near impossible because of the range which a crit or first shrunk wh could have.
Finally,Retar do you live in a wh? or are you just a null sec bear who rats with a local open at all times... Given your corp i'm going to assume the later so don't go complimenting something which you probably have no knowledge of. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:43:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:
i was one of the first people in wormholes, a founding member of Wormfleet which produced many of the first tengus ever made and I have been consulting with querns, one of the goonswarm economic cabal's resident wormhole experts
however our massive list of impressive credentials is unnecessary here because what we can see here is that while 95% of the posters are raging and trying to force ccp to maintain the system exactly as it is, the reason for that is an unwillingness to adapt. wormhole space has been static long enough that many residents have learned little for themselves, and are instead merely applying knowledge passed on from more adventurous types. the rage is not that this change is a bad one: it is that this change forces people to adapt and the people who can adapt and thrive are busy adapting and thriving rather than posting
don't worry: i'm sure the knowledge they discover will eventually filter out as well but you will not do nearly as well as if you do the discovery yourself and steal a march on your more simpleminded collegues
That is funny considering that Corbexx the wormhole CSM has been saying exactly the same thing I have.
If you're such an expert please I would like to hear your opinion on how a smaller corp could possible roll their wh's. The above mentioned tactic I just explained does not work. At least not to any acceptable safe level. So please tell this amazing adaption that myself and virtually every wormhole dweller on there forums are missing. |
Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:58:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
sounds like he is making isk and doing wormholes just fine while you and yours cry an ocean of tears because the entire nexus of your gameplay experience is rooted in cargo culting someone else's innovations
don't need a degree from the university of wormhole phoenix to understand that
Obviously.... I wouldn't expect a change like this to affect someone who signed on with 1000's of other players to be much of an impact... thank you for missing the entire point.... |
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Aureus Ahishatsu
Deadspace Knights
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:14:00 -
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Figured I would post here for relevance our experience with the frig only holes.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4983099#post4983099 |
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